Ep. 037 - Authenticity Is Everything With Jay & Mack & Russell Kent Nicholls

During our time in Ireland, we were fortunate enough to catch up with Jay & Mack and Russell Kent Nicholls (in person this time!) about who inspired them, going viral and sharing a moment they messed up! 

Join us on That Wedding Videographer Podcast as Danny and Jason welcome Jay & Mack from San Diego, California, alongside Russell, for a candid and inspiring conversation recorded in the breathtaking setting of Ireland. This episode dives into:

• Insights into wedding filmmaking workshops and the unique benefits of learning through collaboration.
• Jay & Mack's approach to capturing authentic moments while balancing the pressures of creativity and client expectations.
• Overcoming challenges like public speaking, creative confidence, and even drone mishaps!
• A heartfelt discussion on the value of emotional storytelling versus “dream shots” in wedding films.

Tune in to hear practical advice, hilarious anecdotes, and motivational stories that remind us all why we love this industry. Don't miss this one—it's packed with laughs, lessons, and inspiration!

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Transcript

Jason (00:00):

 You may have seen a teaser drop on our Instagram feed this week.

Danny (00:04):

It's there

Jason (00:04):

Mysterious.

Danny (00:05):

If you haven't seen it, go and check it out

Jason (00:08):

And make sure to keep an eye for future teasers coming soon.

Danny (00:11):

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Jason (00:22):

Once you join the mailing list, you'll be the first in the know to find out when more information drops. You don't want to miss it. You do not. We'll see you soon. Right. Let's carry on with our scheduled podcast.

Jason (00:41):

Welcome to that wedding videographer podcast. I'm Jase. I'm Danny, and we have some lovely guests in front of us. Make yourself known people. Hello.

Jay (00:49):

You go fast.

Mack (00:50):

We're Jane Mack from,

Jay (00:52):

We're Jay & Mack from San Diego, California and we are in the lovely country of Ireland right now with Danny and Jason. Happy and Russell happy to be here. And Russell,

Russell (01:05):

I keep thinking we're in Scotland. I think it's your fault and the castles and it's giving very much Scotland

Danny (01:14):

Fault because when we pulled up we were like, oh man, because we are quite like, what's the word? What did I say? That we're a little bit more numb to because we're shooting in places like this all the time because we don't get quite as excited as seeing a castle kind of thing, although it is gorgeous.

Jason (01:31):

Yeah,

Danny (01:31):

Because so used to shooting it all the time,

Jason (01:33):

Fit the picture. When we walked down the path and we arrived here, there was a bagpiper playing in front of a castle. And I can imagine anyone who's not seen that every Saturday for the last 16 years would be super excited to see that. And I was like, oh, it's the noise of the editing again. See, when you're editing bagpipers in weddings, sometimes you can have a clip and you forget to put the audio down and you had to turn off because it's a quiet speech and then a bagpiper comes on and you just burst. You could probably

Danny (02:00):

Have that one done. Did they have one? No,

Russell (02:03):

No, no. It's like Ali shoot a high fashion wedding. No. Do you know a bagpiper? They did do a Scottish wedding. Oh, did you? Yes.

Danny (02:11):

Yeah.

Russell (02:11):

And it was really nice.

Danny (02:12):

So he made a venue that, remember Brigadoon basically shot this venue, no way we'd ever seen it shot before.

Jason (02:22):

I know we all shot our pants. We thought someone was coming at our marketing like, oh no, why have I started becoming a videographer? But thankfully it was only the one you've done.

Russell (02:33):

So anything back? No, I'm joking. You would say. I'm joking,

Jason (02:35):

I'm joking. No, it was class. It's a venue in Scotland that we do quite regularly, I'd say quite regularly that regularly enough to be well known and we just hadn't seen it look like that before. And again, it's just a testament to how different people approach the same thing that we do differently. And that's what this week has been all about. Obviously we spoke to Jake and Nate earlier about what we're doing here, but how did you guys get involved in what we're doing here?

Russell (03:03):

Jake messaged me and said, Hey, are you free on whatever day it is now? And I was like, yeah, why? Said, yeah, be involved in the workshop. And I said, yeah, what's expected of me? As you know from my talk, I am a little bit shy in front of bigger groups of people, which you kneeled by the way. Thank you. You nailed it. I feel like it's agreed. It is just helped me overcome ready for the next

Danny (03:30):

One in a couple weeks next week. Is it next week or the week after?

Russell (03:33):

Yeah. Yeah. So I felt a lot more competent now in my delivery. So yeah, I think it's face your fears and just, yeah, I had nothing to worry about already. I definitely think that working in weddings has helped my confidence in terms of speaking up for myself and having to deal with situations with people that you'd never met or stuff like that. So yeah, so Jake asked me and that was it really.

Jay (03:58):

On the other hand, for us, Jake knows us and knows that we hate public speaking, but he also knows that we love to connect with people on a personal level. So he is like, Hey, would you and Mac be willing to come to ours and Emma's workshop in Ireland and just hang out? That's it. Just hang out. And I'm like, are you kidding me? Sounds like a dream. Nobody's ever asked us this or people ever asked us to come to a workshop, they want us to speak. What's the agenda? Yeah. I'm like, I hate public speaking and I know, yeah,

Mack (04:33):

I'm worse than him.

Jay (04:35):

If we had a formal presentation from the moment that Jake asked, she would be thinking about it every single day

Jason (04:41):

Until it happened up until the

Jay (04:42):

Presentation. And that's just not fun. So I really appreciate that one. They were open to that, but two that Jake, he listened to us actually, he just knows that's not something that we would want to do, but still wanted us here, so we're just so honoured to be here. What the heck who had,

Danny (05:05):

But even though you've maybe not done a talk per se, you've already shared so much already. So for instance, that shot that you guys do that I have tried before and film this by, but now I tried it yesterday with your help, A couple of attempts my June, but we got there in the end and it's now like, oh wait, it's not quite to the level of you guys fine. But yeah. Yeah. But you've dished out that kind of knowledge and a little birdie also told us that you do have a little posing kind of thing tomorrow that you're going to be talking through.

Jay (05:38):

Yeah, yeah. So we'll be running a lot more so than what you experienced. You were in the first group, but yeah, we'll be kind of running through the portrait session how we would, but also making sure we allow you guys to shoot it. So maybe I'll show you guys how we would shoot it with our camera for a handful of shots, but then I'll probably just be directing the couple, but letting you guys focus on the shooting while we're directing the couple, which I think is a great way to actually approach a whole wedding day is you have one person that's directing and that not be the shooter. We don't have that luxury, usually the one that directs,

Jason (06:15):

But it's similar in that way. If I have ideas, I'll tell him.

Jay (06:20):

Yeah. And then I'll put my camera down, I'll communicate that with them so that way I'm focused and I'm present with the couple and then I'll go and shoot it. So that's the goal to tomorrow is to direct the couple for all the attendees and get them some epic shots.

Jason (06:37):

I dunno if it's a secret or not, but when we were talking to Jake and Nate, they said the only mandatory thing about this trip was that you were all here. You specifically, that's what you wanted to create this obviously you had the connection there with the UK and then your style of directing just fitted this. So yeah, I think they were totally buzzing when you

Danny (06:58):

Said the used good cop. You see it, you'll see it. They genuinely, but I guess for them it's kind of like pulling together a bit of a dream team. I mean these are probably the

Jason (07:07):

Reasons that we're here,

Danny (07:08):

To be honest.

Jason (07:09):

I was obsessed with you guys and then we all know the fan. I know.

Danny (07:12):

I mean, as Russell said, I think I have bought every single thing. He actually had to stop me at one point because I was about to buy, I think it was one of the other guides. Was it one of the other brochure templates? Yeah. You don't need to buy the other one, Danny, you're fine.

Jason (07:25):

So obviously use our inspirations, but who are your inspirations in the industry, if you have any?

Russell (07:34):

Yeah, one inspiration is really sad. The biggest fan of White and Ry forever from the beginning. I love their personalities. I love their work. I love, I think even if we became friends, I don't think I'd be able to handle that. I think it's best that they live across the Atlanta just so there's a safe distance and yeah. What about you? Who's your inspiration

Jay (07:59):

Piggybacking off of that? I would say same. When we first started, we actually, the first and only workshop that we attended was Venture, which the very first venture, which Caly and Christie hosted, but also Forestry films was there, David and a few other speakers. But yeah, white and Reverie and David of forestry films. Those two were our inspiration for the longest time before we came into our own style. Now I'll be honest, we don't watch a tonne of wedding stuff. We, I mean we just

Russell (08:36):

Exposed to it

Jay (08:37):

And we don't want to end up drawing too much inspiration from any one person because then you end up mirroring that too much and then it's no longer your own style. So we look for inspiration outside of the industry. So music videos, obviously movies provide a lot of inspiration, but music in general, if I come across a song that I'm just really loving, I'm just envisioning a scene.

Russell (09:01):

Oh, I do that as well. You do that too. I daydream. If I had a big budget, what would I do? I actually did. When I'm driving, I'm listening to a cell. Yeah,

Jay (09:10):

Yeah, you can just envision a scene in your head. The music is just, I don't know,

Jason (09:14):

That's the exact same with the album music bit on them. I'm imagining what would be a dream directing role of what I would do for that scene. So that's how I got started with it. But yeah, I think we were actually talking earlier in the week about watching wedding films and stuff and it's something that I just don't, don't really enjoy watching wedding films after wedding films. I like to see people who are new in what they're trying to do and I'm always happy to talk about it, but if you're not watching them, as soon as, I mean I watch a teaser, but a full on wedding film, when you've seen a lot, you don't tend to watch them. But at the beginning we all have the inspiration of that's the vision, that's the kind of thing I want to do. But you mentioned venture there and obviously we're on a workshop just now, so the benefit of people joining a workshop or a retreat like this, I think we were speaking to Jake in the earlier about people in the UK maybe not approaching workshops as much as maybe people in the US

Danny (10:10):

Do, Russell. I think generally in the UK there's a different

Russell (10:16):

Mentality.

Danny (10:17):

Yeah, there's a different mentality and there's almost like a stigma slightly, I think in some cases when it comes to education.

Russell (10:22):

Do you know, I do think actually there's a gender divide as well in the education section. And I feel like most, let's say typically and probably statistically most UK filmmakers are men, men. And I think that we work alone a lot. We're not necessarily the most forthcoming with sharing stuff as men. We're quite competitive sometimes, and I think the community aspect of that is more led by the women and the photographers that are more community driven. So I think that's why I'm excited for a coder, which is going to be pretty much the first big community. And I think that will actually, not only educationally, but I think also that will help to break down, break the ice a lot. I think amongst people actually meet in real life. And I think actually there's only so much that people can learn from presentations. Obviously I gave my presentation yesterday, but I think the most value actually comes from hanging out and watching people like Jay Mac use their stuff and just absorbing it, asking the questions that you have that maybe you thought were too stupid or something to ask formally, but just being able to absorb and also get confirmation that you are doing things right.

Danny (11:43):

Definitely. Because even in the talks today, we literally said, they said that we are already doing, between us, we are doing the majority of things that, for instance, you guys are or chatting what Jake and Nate were talking about and Emma, there's other little bits in there about maybe just improving things and it's the micro Yeah, yeah, exactly. Generally, yeah. But that's good for, because if you're maybe looking at somebody threw a screen and you're thinking they must be doing this whaled thing, obviously

Jay (12:15):

We're all shooting fairly similar for the most part. Yeah, we're all

Russell (12:19):

Just making it up as we go along.

Jay (12:20):

Yeah, truly

Russell (12:22):

Learning from our mistakes, just finding what we're comfortable with, doing more of that because yeah, there's no blueprint to this. We are just kind of, and also as the industry is changing and trends are coming in and just trying to weave in all of your style and new cameras and then running a business at the same time, there's so much to it.

Jason (12:43):

There's so much. That's why going into something like this, what you said earlier about confirmation, that really is it. We work alone. And when you have imposter syndrome, it's so easy. Just look at everyone else's work and think, oh, because you watch your work so much, you critique everything that you do. Every shot is disgusting. You were talking earlier about how your colour balances is off all the time. My white balances horrendous. Why have I forgotten what white looks like? You see it every day. I can't tell. I'm like, is this white? Is it just all blue? And then I see it in the edit. I'm like, it's cause you're shooting Sony. But it's, it's confirmation that everyone that you kind of look up to is making these mistakes as well and that you're on the right path. So yeah,

Jay (13:31):

That's how we felt when we went to ventures. We learned like, oh, okay, we are doing things. We are, yeah,

Danny (13:40):

I see this all the time. That if you actually think about a wedding day and how fast it goes, and certainly maybe for people where they are small teams, what you're actually able to capture on a wedding day and then what you're actually then able to produce on the back end of that is nothing short of a miracle. Some things considering all the blockers that can get in the way on a day, and I don't think we probably give ourselves enough pats in the back for what we are actually able to do. How hard actually is.

Russell (14:14):

He's in focus and tells a story

Danny (14:16):

Exactly when

Russell (14:17):

It

Jay (14:17):

Looks beautiful

Jason (14:19):

And that helps many worked in a studio environment after doing weddings for so long where there is control and it's massively different. Are you like an after pro? How often you go in there say, this is too slow? I think

Russell (14:34):

I love to, depends how much if lighting and stuff it needs. We're only working at weddings then you obviously we're using the natural available stuff. But yeah, it is nice to be able to do stuff that's repeatable that you can do. Again, because I dunno about you, but I feel like in the last couple of years people are fitting in so much stuff on wedding that you just think there isn't time for half an hour. A couple portraits, which I used to get years ago. I think now with social media, people want to fit so many photo opportunities in the time hours can get a bit squeezed. I'm not getting as long a break as I used to do, which I don't mind, but just need to have a minute to recharge a physical, emotional, bad. But yeah, it is tough. The fact that we can do this 30 times a year in some cases is actually,

Jason (15:21):

Well the American way of running a wedding are the majority of weddings, the portraits and what was done before the actual wedding is, or is it a rumour that we're just saying to ourselves,

Mack (15:32):

It's part of America, few states do that. Bridal

Jay (15:38):

Shoots well no,

Jason (15:39):

No, they'll do a first look.

Jay (15:40):

No, they're talking about on the day of.

Danny (15:42):

Oh, on the day.

Jay (15:42):

So first look. Yeah, so it depends on the couple. Some couples want to do a first look, some don't. If they do do a first look, then yeah, you'll usually do a little bit of portraits. Might be 10 minutes, 20 minutes, and then

Mack (15:53):

Family photos

Jay (15:54):

Depending. Yeah, then they'll knock out bridal party and family photos and then they'll probably do a portrait session at Sunset too. If it's a summer wedding and there's time, it's a winter wedding, there's probably not going to be a lot of time for that.

Danny (16:10):

Just such a bare way to do it though, isn't it really? From a logistic point of view, just show that the couple can actually enjoy the cocktail error Sometimes. Quite often the couples will be like, oh, I feel like I've not talked to anybody. You started your ceremony at 2:00 PM

Jason (16:26):

2:00 PM it went on for an hour and then you went off to your room for 20 minutes. Yeah, there's no time for it at all. But yeah,

Jay (16:34):

We're definitely in support of couples joining cocktail hour and not pulling them away for sunset portraits. I 100% will stand behind that.

Jason (16:43):

When we

Jay (16:44):

Got

Jason (16:44):

Married, we didn't do that

Jay (16:47):

And that's my fault. Honestly, that's my fault. I wanted to do a tonne of portraits and now looking back, I'm like why? I don't care about having that in our wedding video at all. I would much rather just have shots of us interacting with people or I mean wedding video aside, I would've just rather interacted with people.

Jason (17:05):

Yeah, I mean that's great content as a wedding videographer to see people just interacting with people. Those epic dream shots are great, but that's not what they're going to remember about their,

Jay (17:16):

It's exciting, but it doesn't matter.

Jason (17:18):

Yeah, it's more, I think that's more pressurising to our peers that we get those dream shots because they're the ones that are going to go, oh wow, I did to get that shot. But the conversations I like,

Danny (17:28):

They do like dreamy.

Jason (17:29):

They do like dreamy.

Danny (17:30):

They do dream,

Jason (17:31):

But the couple, that's not what they imagine.

Danny (17:35):

It depends. It depends on the couple doing because I know I get a couple sometimes that's why I work.

Jason (17:39):

Yeah, that's true.

Danny (17:40):

That is why. So if we get, and obviously you're like, well, I hope there's a gold. No, cause you don't get it everywhere, Sierra Hill and Scotland. But yeah, I think it depends on their priorities, isn't it?

Jay (17:52):

Yeah. But you could do those shots anytime any other, you could do those shots any other day. Maybe they're not going to be in that location or whatever, but you can't get those moments back with those people.

Russell (18:03):

I think it's what people think they want and that's what sells.

Jay (18:05):

Yes, it

Russell (18:06):

Is. Because when they're a couple are shopping around or looking at the wedding videographers, they can't relate to those people, those guests and only the client can relate to the emotional aspect of those guests. So we sell it a lot on the couple portraits because just imagine themselves in that. But it's a great introspective. Yeah, people's reactions actually come from seeing them smiling at their nana or his friend giving them a hug.

Danny (18:32):

Well, they're always the most engaged things if you look at all the short rails and stuff, isn't it? They're always the most engaged. Well that one, the granddad walking around down there. I was so cute. So cute. Because he was showing all the comments that he was getting as well, wasn't he?

Jay (18:49):

The video that he posted with the grandpa walking with they playing

Russell (18:53):

That as well of him laughing at the comments and he read out one of them saying, who's cutting onions? And then laughter. I thought, that's so cute. Yeah,

Jason (19:03):

With it,

Russell (19:03):

It's 95. It's amazing.

Jason (19:06):

That went pretty viral, right?

Russell (19:07):

Yeah, it's still going. I need to turn off the note case.

Jason (19:11):

We've all had a couple clips that have gone viral and stuff and I think some of the presentations we've spoke about today have been the downside to that. I think everyone wants it, but I took all inspiration from you guys maybe was it two years ago I think when you did a workshop on it, just kind of sharing moments from the wedding and obviously it absolutely took off for me at that point, whether or not it made, it didn't necessarily lead to Derek sales, but I think someone, I was talking to someone earlier about what that impact of having, it gives you social proof. Social proof, doesn't it? But would you guys recommend still doing that or?

Jay (19:45):

I feel uncomfortable with it, honestly, because a lot of our followers, they came from videos from our couples that I feel like people followed us thinking maybe we're the couple,

Mack (19:59):

I

Jay (19:59):

Mean we had a decent amount before we started posting a bunch of raw moments, but then we started posting a bunch of raw moments and then obviously exploded. But I feel like, yeah, people think we're the couple and then they see our story and they're like, they see me and they're like, oh, that's definitely not who I thought

Jason (20:16):

This guy. Oh, that clip with a dad's talking to his door, right? Is that who they think you are?

Danny (20:22):

Yeah, they're

Jason (20:25):

Really good looking.

Jay (20:26):

Yeah. Yeah, I know. I'm the biggest. You're sitting, they're cat fishing everyone. So then when people go like, oh, what's your Instagram? And they pull you up right there on the spot, they're like, oh, you have a lot of followers. For me it feels like it's awkward. It's awkward and it's like, I don't know, I just feel weird about it.

Russell (20:44):

Explain it.

Jason (20:45):

Yeah,

Jay (20:45):

They're one

Jason (20:47):

Post.

Jay (20:48):

But also it just goes to show how much social proof that gives, even though it's a weird thing, it's just numbers or whatever. But people, we unfortunately place value on

Russell (21:00):

That. People now value and interact more with authenticity on social media rather than things looking so glamorous. People were actually reminded that the weddings are actually about friend her granddad or rather than how hot you look in free dresses. Yeah. So I think definitely having that authenticity, but being able to capture it well,

Danny (21:22):

Which to be honest, for a social media trend or shift, that is probably one of the more positive ones that this has been. Because generally with social media is there's always this negative kind of connotation with it in it for mental health and stuff like that. But that is probably one of the more positive things to happen in social media and probably quite a long time. So

Jason (21:43):

Yeah,

Danny (21:43):

It's a good shit.

Jason (21:44):

Yeah, I think when I got my wedding photos back and my video back, all I did was zoom past me and just look at the people in the background, what they were doing. And that was for me, it's about the people

Danny (21:55):

To humanise guests that we bring in the podcast. We always ask them maybe what is your biggest mistake or that you've made or your biggest bowls up at a wedding.

Jay (22:04):

So in the past I was really wanting to do some time lapses and I really wanted to do a time lapse right before ceremony and I got the time lapse, it was great. And then I went to go set up the ceremony tripod and we have two. So I got one on the bride and then I had another one on the groom and one of the angles I had left in time-lapse mode. So the whole, granted we have three other angles rolling, so it's fine. But the one on the groom was see the action,

Jason (22:47):

See if you put some Benny Hill music over that and put that on Instagram, that's going viral.

Jay (22:54):

And then our couple is going to see and then we're never going to get booked again. And then not only that, I didn't notice it for the couple's reaction during toast. So that angle as well is now two people.

Jason (23:08):

See if you just saw that down to 10,000, would it be like, alright,

Jay (23:11):

No, no. Yeah, trust me. But I will say I got lucky. It's not something I learned. I got lucky. I had filmed the start of the groom's vows from a wide angle and Mac filmed the start of his vows from a tight angle and then I filmed the end of his vows from a wide angle. So we'll be okay because I was filming reactions of guests. So Mac and me were filming reactions of guests during that time period. So we have the start and the end of his vows and a tonne of guest reactions. So it would be good. But yeah, I still make mistakes. Mac,

Russell (23:50):

I'm trying to think of some that I've made, but I can only think of yours. No, I'm serious.

Jay (23:58):

Yeah. I didn't slide a TX six 60 on a microphone at a wedding one time and I didn't hit record on the F six either for the first toast. So we had to actually Mac solved that one. She used AI

Russell (24:15):

Modan,

Jay (24:15):

She used AI from, so we found a portion of usable audio from one of the speakers, nine seconds of usable audio and made it a minute long and uploaded it to, I think it's called 11 labs and we type in. So it cloned her voice. So what typed in what she said, and

Jason (24:36):

I heard rumours of people doing that. I didn't think it would actually work. Oh,

Jay (24:38):

It works. So now,

Jason (24:40):

So all you need was nine

Danny (24:41):

Seconds and I got it

Jay (24:42):

Nine seconds and then you need a 62nd file. So I just duplicated it. Let's say you don't like the intonation of the way somebody says something. So you know how I said says something, let's say something and you wanted to end on that so you can type it in and put a period so then they can say it how you want them to say it. So that's how I've been using it since. So that was a mistake that led to a unique finding that now I can leverage. So how much Thanks for figuring that out. It's like a 11 bucks a month.

Jason (25:13):

I love ai. They're always like a tenner here or some of them. I buy all of them. I love it.

Russell (25:18):

Yeah, good. I've been just getting them to airdrop me the vows on the phone and then we don't even have to use mics. I just whack

Jason (25:27):

Just compose a speech at

Danny (25:28):

Home. Yeah, I think that's been our best balls question actually got got something out of it as well.

Jay (25:38):

Well you always want to learn from your mistakes, right? So

Danny (25:42):

Although we could ask Russell what his biggest balls up today has been

Russell (25:48):

On top one. It's too soon. Yeah. So today for the last few months I've been so excited that I've been able to do way points on my mini fork because the mini three didn't have them. And there's me thinking I'm bloody Steven Spielberg far enough clip.

Jason (26:06):

Sure you five come and watch me. Here's way points.

Russell (26:08):

I was so excited to show you the way points. Yeah, it's not without risk. As we now know that on the way to the first Waypoint, my mini four pro went full speed at 12 metres a second into a tree. I think it tried to go through the tree. Through the tree, yeah. But I'm actually just glad that it came down and it is still working and I have just bought in the new one

Jason (26:30):

Because

Russell (26:31):

That leg is on. Yeah. Do you know what tomorrow we're going to do? It's going to be a waypoint funeral. I'm going to do, while everyone's busy, I'm going to do waste points. The last one is in the sea. I'm going to take the ND off. I need that. I'm going to take the memory card out and we're going to play Enya as it just goes

Danny (26:49):

There. We should all put our collective drones up and just line them up. Just as I say, this goes through it,

Russell (26:56):

A paddle out and everyone has to wear black. Okay.

Danny (27:01):

Oh well on that note, this has been fun guys. Thank you so much Noah. Thank you for taking the time out and keeping you from your Hopefully what is pizza house?

Jason (27:11):

This is like a dream on True. We had our two fucking biggest situations in the talk. Oh, look at that. That's so good.

Danny (27:16):

So awesome. But yeah, no, thank you so much for coming

Jason (27:19):

On. Of course. Thanks for having us. Well I been Jace up, been down. It's been that wedding video for podcast. See you next week. See you week. Bye.